Well, at least all the Indians in the USA won’t be filling up all the jobs in the fast food industry like Canada. I live in a city of 90,000 on a large island (Vancouver Island) and except for McDonald’s all the fast food joints are 100% Indian employees. Yes, this includes Tim Hortons.
Youth employment last summer was 15% in Toronto as there are fewer entry level jobs or part time jobs for young folks.
One obvious error in Vivek’s argument is that the post-WW2 US pop culture & public high school culture & public state university culture was the exact same anti-intellectual & pro-athletics, Prom King & Prom Queen culture that it was for my GenX, and for Vivek’s Millennial generation in the 90’s, and same as today.
What was different was **opportunity**, employment opportunities in the post-WW2 working man’s economy.
The Depression Era generation, the Silent generation, and the Older & Younger Boomer engineers enjoyed **job opportunities**.
The ‘managed decline’ of the West has progressively robbed GenX & subsequent generations of engineers of decent middle-income paychecks & decent working conditions/ workers’ rights.
But the dumb-dumb USA anti-intellectual culture has been the same this whole time. The US pop culture was never the problem. Vivek is wrong to argue that Asian Education Mamas/ Tiger Moms/ extremely competitive childhood academic culture is what produces top notch engineers.
No, it’s **employment opportunity** that produces top notch workers.
_that_ is precisely the point... THAT right there....
AND let's not forget... in Western civilization, unburdened by hereditary Brahmin bureaucrats or corrupt Mandarins, you could be a wealthy merchant, carpenter, farmer, brewer... in other words... if you EXCELLED at _anything_ you could do well, achieve social status, prosperity, and contribute to the broad and complex fabric of a vibrant culture...
... And any sensible person would question the statements and motives of a billionaire -- they didn't get where they are today by paying top dollar unless they have to
I get it. US jobs for US engineers. And I wouldn't dream of calling you racist. But that was a very long rant on the basis of a very short tweet from Musk who is a disruptor and a baiter, as we know.
Everybody has their shortcomings, including US engineers. And while I know nothing of their particular working habits, it is true that people in the West increasingly appear to want all the benefits but none of the drawbacks of working normal hours, which I took to be part of his point.
You are generalising about US emgineers; I am saying that anyone from another culture, Indian or whatever, may have great abilities as well. We shouldn't lose sight of wanting to have the best talent, wherever it comes from.
Elon is guilty of generalising too. That's the problem with a short attention span when lethally combined with X ...
My post wasn't a response to a single tweet. As I made clear there's been an ongoing and often heated discussion occurring on X for days now. And my argument isn't that all US engineers are superior to all Indians. I never wrote that. My argument is that US engineers are generally of higher caliber than Indians for a thousand different reasons.
Musk, Vivek and David Sacks are demanding lifting the nation caps on H1-Bs meaning instead of bringing in ~100k additional Indian engineers ever year they can bring in 500k or a million each year. And all this despite a million domestic layoffs in the tech industry in the last 1.5 years.
And Musk is doing his motte and bailey thing where he says at one moment he only wants a few of the best and in the next that we need to double the number of H1-Bs we bring in. He's dishonest and is rightly getting roasted for his dishonesty.
It sounds like you're not familiar with the abuses of the H1-B program (and many other programs that are gamed) that allow US firms to easily replace Americans with immigrants who will to work for 1/3 the pay because they come from a shithole country and anything we have to offer is better.
My argument is simple: until US firms stop laying off large numbers of US tech workers and replacing them with immigrant labor we need to shutdown these programs. Indian and Chinese tech workers are not superior to Americans. If they were all the innovation and invention would be occurring in India and China instead of here - and its not and never has been.
My father was an electrical engineer in the Silicon Valley, when working in management one of his duties was hiring, he was NOT impressed with Chinese and Indian educated engineers
However Chinese and Indians educated in the US were passable (for the most part).
I’m a prole so this is as far as my knowledge on the subject goes lol, I could tell you about illegal immigration in the construction sector though haha
Feel free to do so. One thing we're seeing is H1-B abuse is everywhere from skilled professions to 7-11 workers and even workers at golf courses! Construction is somewhere in the middle I suppose though I've seen real artisans in that field.
I'm sure they'll call me a racist but I've worked with too many native Indian coders who do subpar work. They don't care about good designs and just do what they're told. I've had Indian friends who were raised in the US and they are different - more like Americans. Despite what a garbage barge India is the new immigrants often have a chauvinism that makes it hard for them to assimilate.
Tbh, the Latino guys, with work papers and those without, are for the most part family guys who actually get along pretty well with us white guys, and we both understand we have different cultures and will jokingly compare/contrast, but in a respectful way (also a lot of asking each other how to say things in our respective tongues)
They do allow themselves to be overworked/skip safety protocols which can have serious repercussions for themselves and their employers.
They do however have an impact on the working class labor market, but this is generally only on the ground level, the typical illegal immigrant does not become a master electrician or plumber or heavy equipment operator/owner (where the money is at). Yes, for the young native born American starting wages are most definitely worse than in decades past, and this makes living up until one can get a professional license/move up in the field more difficult which has real societal blowback such as delaying marriage/starting a family.
I however will say there is a need for guys like that, and I just don’t know how many of the type of American willing to risk their life for $15/hr would do it for $25/hr (let’s pretend the wage deflation gets corrected for this example).
I don’t see why working permits can’t be issued, or even a long term green card system that ensures they pay taxes/get treated fairly by employers, but also don’t become voters (which I know a lot of people on the right fear, although Latinos do tend to be conservative). This is all just from my small sliver of observation in a narrow part of the construction field.
The funny thing is that the construction field’s ownership is largely made up of Republicans, who also seem to dominate the ownership of the other industries that relies on this form of labor. That is an enigma I don’t really get, at all, outside of the Republican Party consisting mostly of people who vote for cultural issues but is run by a minority who have seen massive increases in profits via Republican regulation/taxation legislation.
Despite the effects they have had on the labor market I harbor no ill will towards them (the drug dealers in San Francisco are a different animal, guys who work as roofers in the summer for $15/hr and don’t engage in crime simply have good work ethics but no salary negotiation power and are resigned to that). These guys aren’t the criminals you hear about, and if they do stray from the righteous path there do need to be consequences. The business of how illegal immigration is facilitated by horrific criminals is another can of worms, and it upsets me to hear about the human misery that is borne by people who for the most part want a better life. My empathy may be blinding me somewhat, but at the end of the day it’s there and I constantly try to grapple with it. Both sides of the aisle seem to miss these points.
Sorry for the length and my constant use of (a thought popped in my head and I’m too impulsive to create a new paragraph 🤣)
A lot to discuss but I'll focus on two points. First we shouldn't have any construction workers skimping on safety because they can be replaced/deported if they speak up. There are plenty of Americans who will do those jobs for some years of their youth if the pay is good and OSHA rules are followed. Of course we need to fix our food system so more than half our young people aren't obese but that's doable too.
As for republicans - they were the party of all of this in the early days of offshoring and h1-b type programs. The Dems quickly joined them and then we had no one protecting non-capitalist American citizens.
The reason so many from the legacy Repub party hate Trump is he has led the base of the party away from the Chamber of Commerce greedsters rapaciously exploiting and laying off our citizenry for the quick buck. Now the new blood of the Repubs (guys like Vance) are the party of the working classes but guys like Musk are too thick to realize the realignment because all he knows is one of his many children he doesn't nurture trooned out which really soured him on the Dems. The fact is Musk is a fraud and a huckster who finds companies with great engineers and then maneuvers himself into the head position and takes credit for other people's work. He's done it his whole adult life starting with paypal.
And as for the mess the globalists left behind there are solutions but they can only work if they are tried.
I want to add that one thing I don’t hear about is American capital being used to develop industries in their home countries which in turn could provide better employment opportunities. The truth of the matter is most the guys I’ve worked with would have loved to remain in El Salvador or someplace where they feel culturally connected/comfortable, but the pressing need to make money to take care of families compels them to immigrate.
I’d probably do the same if my situation was like that, but I’d also rather stay where my family was if it meant I could support them properly.
It would also be way easier to sell the idea of mass remigration if that meant people would be sent back home to a more prosperous country, and even possibly do it willingly.
And sorry, last point, but we are going to have a whole generation of children born to these people who were told that their dad works in a celery field all day because it means they will have better lives, only to find their lives aren’t much better. This happened with the Algerian community in France with drastic consequences for their society and culture.
These are all the fruits of globalization. NAFTA made it so those El Salvadorans could not support their families at home just like it wrecked a million family farms and factories in el norte.
The only ones who benefit from globalization are the oligarchs and managerial classes who get fat off of wage arbitrage and mass economic displacement.
Guys like Paul Krugman provided the fake math-based garbage economic justifications for "comparative advantage" while the entire world entered an era of massive economic disruption and violent upheaval.
I don't really blame the Indians who come here, or the El Salvadorans either. It's guys like Musk and Vivek - and they are just the latest in an exhaustingly long line of liars and cretins - who push the continuation of an unsustainable globalist framework because it benefits them greatly.
They all talk about "America winning" but the America they're talking about is the tiny fraction of managerial elites who have raped and ruined our nation for their temporary gains.
Great write-up. I am subscribed. I've known these two were scammers for a long time. Sadly, it has taken this long for people to catch on, especially concerning Musk.
what gets me is so few people know about the Brahminswami pump and dump... he robbed 100s of millions from pension funds in a blatant scam he ran with his mommie....
Musk isn’t Vivek, Musk a real talent. However he is dynamic and speaks his oft unconsidered mind.
As it happens Musk has just humbled himself or put himself in the humble pie position.
As it also happens the boil of open borders for H1B … which would have been open borders for all… has just been lanced and Trump’s not even in office yet.
Blimey. Don't you think that your faux outrage is a teeny bit over the top? Did it occur to you that Elon Musk might just know a bit more about employing highly skilled engineers than you? He is running a viable space program, after all. Which NASA -- your home-grown industry -- isn't. Shall we talk about Boeing now?
My outrage isn't faux and SpaceX employs almost entirely US citizens given ITAR rules. I have nothing against Indian-American engineers who grew up within our culture.
I've worked with Indian engineers for two decades. There is nothing any of them has ever done that Americans can't do. On the contrary, with a few exceptions, they have a singular ability to create complicated messes and bad designs. They are often poorly trained and have a culture of subservience and dishonesty that hinders the engineering process. One of their special talents is taking over hiring and filling entire teams with other Indian engineers. You can call me "racist" if you enjoy that sort of thing. I don't really care.
And yes we shall talk about Boeing. They ran themselves into disaster by firing their American engineers and hiring $9/hr Indian coders and testers. This led directly to two 737 Max crashes attributed to faulty software. Hundreds of dead innocents who trusted Boeing and were let down in the worst way.
Musk is barely an engineer. He's a businessman who hires engineers. The only reason he wants more of them is to maintain downward pressure on wages. That's it.
The Indians I have worked with were quite the opposite - driven to succeed, competent and friendly. But they were all born and brought up in the UK. And one is a woman. Presumably both those factors can make a difference.
Indians born and raised in the west are generally raised with western values. If not by their parents by their age cohort. The problem is importing millions of Indians raised under their corrupt and amoral Indian system such that they poison our culture and massively undercut wages.
Sometimes yes. They can enter on the O-1 system for outstanding talent. Of course we have to be careful with that program as well since it doesn't have quotas.
US work immigration policy has so many programs and carveouts we have to shut it all down until we can figure out what the hell is going on.
I have heard that Indians hire their own and judging from jobs what I've seen in tech this is a reasonable assumption. As for hiring their own caste I don't know but why wouldn't they.
Not only do we have to punish offshoring with high tariffs and penalties for corporations that do it but we need to shutdown the alphabet soup of programs that import foreign labor. The reason US firms "can't find workers" is they don't want to pay living wages.
Stock buybacks used to be illegal, just like congressional insider trading. We can make them both illegal again.
Japan is a country that has been intentionally economically gimped by the US. If you'll recall the ridiculous panic in the 1980s that Japan was going to overtake us - well those articles were expressing the fears of an increasingly ossified class of industrial oligarchs. What they did was bring Japanese to study econ in the US and then go back to Japan and do all the stupidest things which sent Japan into a 40 year decline. During that decline the birthrate collapsed and now Japan is totally fucked. Being America's "ally" is deadly.
This is all very stupid of course - one should want strong allies not weak ones but the US oligarchy never learns because it never faces consequences.
Great comment. Regarding Japan, my understanding is that they've been ineffective at using all the money they print to stimulate economic growth. Instead it's gone to things like literally paving concrete over much of their country to no productive end. It provided "jobs" for a time but since it didn't do anything to build out infrastructure and boost long term productivity it wound up as a net drain and added massively to debt.
Digging holes and filling them doesn't add productive capacity to a nation. Paving everything in sight with concrete is even worse. It just spends the nation's wealth on less than nothing.
I think there are other dynamics at play that the US used to gimp Japan's economic performance and reduce their ability to compete but I'd have to research it again since the last time I looked into it was a long time ago.
Well, at least all the Indians in the USA won’t be filling up all the jobs in the fast food industry like Canada. I live in a city of 90,000 on a large island (Vancouver Island) and except for McDonald’s all the fast food joints are 100% Indian employees. Yes, this includes Tim Hortons.
Youth employment last summer was 15% in Toronto as there are fewer entry level jobs or part time jobs for young folks.
I've been reading about Trudeau's brilliant schemes. He should be hung from a lamppost.
All I know is that my New Year’s wish of a government minus Trudeau looks to be coming true in early 2025. Thank you Wish Elf.
Peebo bringing heat
One obvious error in Vivek’s argument is that the post-WW2 US pop culture & public high school culture & public state university culture was the exact same anti-intellectual & pro-athletics, Prom King & Prom Queen culture that it was for my GenX, and for Vivek’s Millennial generation in the 90’s, and same as today.
What was different was **opportunity**, employment opportunities in the post-WW2 working man’s economy.
The Depression Era generation, the Silent generation, and the Older & Younger Boomer engineers enjoyed **job opportunities**.
The ‘managed decline’ of the West has progressively robbed GenX & subsequent generations of engineers of decent middle-income paychecks & decent working conditions/ workers’ rights.
But the dumb-dumb USA anti-intellectual culture has been the same this whole time. The US pop culture was never the problem. Vivek is wrong to argue that Asian Education Mamas/ Tiger Moms/ extremely competitive childhood academic culture is what produces top notch engineers.
No, it’s **employment opportunity** that produces top notch workers.
Yes, and it’s the very fact of our loose, free-wheeling, humorous and creative culture that produces innovation and invention in the first place.
_that_ is precisely the point... THAT right there....
AND let's not forget... in Western civilization, unburdened by hereditary Brahmin bureaucrats or corrupt Mandarins, you could be a wealthy merchant, carpenter, farmer, brewer... in other words... if you EXCELLED at _anything_ you could do well, achieve social status, prosperity, and contribute to the broad and complex fabric of a vibrant culture...
... And any sensible person would question the statements and motives of a billionaire -- they didn't get where they are today by paying top dollar unless they have to
I get it. US jobs for US engineers. And I wouldn't dream of calling you racist. But that was a very long rant on the basis of a very short tweet from Musk who is a disruptor and a baiter, as we know.
Everybody has their shortcomings, including US engineers. And while I know nothing of their particular working habits, it is true that people in the West increasingly appear to want all the benefits but none of the drawbacks of working normal hours, which I took to be part of his point.
You are generalising about US emgineers; I am saying that anyone from another culture, Indian or whatever, may have great abilities as well. We shouldn't lose sight of wanting to have the best talent, wherever it comes from.
Elon is guilty of generalising too. That's the problem with a short attention span when lethally combined with X ...
My post wasn't a response to a single tweet. As I made clear there's been an ongoing and often heated discussion occurring on X for days now. And my argument isn't that all US engineers are superior to all Indians. I never wrote that. My argument is that US engineers are generally of higher caliber than Indians for a thousand different reasons.
Musk, Vivek and David Sacks are demanding lifting the nation caps on H1-Bs meaning instead of bringing in ~100k additional Indian engineers ever year they can bring in 500k or a million each year. And all this despite a million domestic layoffs in the tech industry in the last 1.5 years.
And Musk is doing his motte and bailey thing where he says at one moment he only wants a few of the best and in the next that we need to double the number of H1-Bs we bring in. He's dishonest and is rightly getting roasted for his dishonesty.
It sounds like you're not familiar with the abuses of the H1-B program (and many other programs that are gamed) that allow US firms to easily replace Americans with immigrants who will to work for 1/3 the pay because they come from a shithole country and anything we have to offer is better.
My argument is simple: until US firms stop laying off large numbers of US tech workers and replacing them with immigrant labor we need to shutdown these programs. Indian and Chinese tech workers are not superior to Americans. If they were all the innovation and invention would be occurring in India and China instead of here - and its not and never has been.
Even worse are companies like John Deere that are pulling up stakes in Nebraska and heading to Mexico. This is being done all due to payroll dollars.
My father was an electrical engineer in the Silicon Valley, when working in management one of his duties was hiring, he was NOT impressed with Chinese and Indian educated engineers
However Chinese and Indians educated in the US were passable (for the most part).
I’m a prole so this is as far as my knowledge on the subject goes lol, I could tell you about illegal immigration in the construction sector though haha
Feel free to do so. One thing we're seeing is H1-B abuse is everywhere from skilled professions to 7-11 workers and even workers at golf courses! Construction is somewhere in the middle I suppose though I've seen real artisans in that field.
I'm sure they'll call me a racist but I've worked with too many native Indian coders who do subpar work. They don't care about good designs and just do what they're told. I've had Indian friends who were raised in the US and they are different - more like Americans. Despite what a garbage barge India is the new immigrants often have a chauvinism that makes it hard for them to assimilate.
Tbh, the Latino guys, with work papers and those without, are for the most part family guys who actually get along pretty well with us white guys, and we both understand we have different cultures and will jokingly compare/contrast, but in a respectful way (also a lot of asking each other how to say things in our respective tongues)
They do allow themselves to be overworked/skip safety protocols which can have serious repercussions for themselves and their employers.
They do however have an impact on the working class labor market, but this is generally only on the ground level, the typical illegal immigrant does not become a master electrician or plumber or heavy equipment operator/owner (where the money is at). Yes, for the young native born American starting wages are most definitely worse than in decades past, and this makes living up until one can get a professional license/move up in the field more difficult which has real societal blowback such as delaying marriage/starting a family.
I however will say there is a need for guys like that, and I just don’t know how many of the type of American willing to risk their life for $15/hr would do it for $25/hr (let’s pretend the wage deflation gets corrected for this example).
I don’t see why working permits can’t be issued, or even a long term green card system that ensures they pay taxes/get treated fairly by employers, but also don’t become voters (which I know a lot of people on the right fear, although Latinos do tend to be conservative). This is all just from my small sliver of observation in a narrow part of the construction field.
The funny thing is that the construction field’s ownership is largely made up of Republicans, who also seem to dominate the ownership of the other industries that relies on this form of labor. That is an enigma I don’t really get, at all, outside of the Republican Party consisting mostly of people who vote for cultural issues but is run by a minority who have seen massive increases in profits via Republican regulation/taxation legislation.
Despite the effects they have had on the labor market I harbor no ill will towards them (the drug dealers in San Francisco are a different animal, guys who work as roofers in the summer for $15/hr and don’t engage in crime simply have good work ethics but no salary negotiation power and are resigned to that). These guys aren’t the criminals you hear about, and if they do stray from the righteous path there do need to be consequences. The business of how illegal immigration is facilitated by horrific criminals is another can of worms, and it upsets me to hear about the human misery that is borne by people who for the most part want a better life. My empathy may be blinding me somewhat, but at the end of the day it’s there and I constantly try to grapple with it. Both sides of the aisle seem to miss these points.
Sorry for the length and my constant use of (a thought popped in my head and I’m too impulsive to create a new paragraph 🤣)
A lot to discuss but I'll focus on two points. First we shouldn't have any construction workers skimping on safety because they can be replaced/deported if they speak up. There are plenty of Americans who will do those jobs for some years of their youth if the pay is good and OSHA rules are followed. Of course we need to fix our food system so more than half our young people aren't obese but that's doable too.
As for republicans - they were the party of all of this in the early days of offshoring and h1-b type programs. The Dems quickly joined them and then we had no one protecting non-capitalist American citizens.
The reason so many from the legacy Repub party hate Trump is he has led the base of the party away from the Chamber of Commerce greedsters rapaciously exploiting and laying off our citizenry for the quick buck. Now the new blood of the Repubs (guys like Vance) are the party of the working classes but guys like Musk are too thick to realize the realignment because all he knows is one of his many children he doesn't nurture trooned out which really soured him on the Dems. The fact is Musk is a fraud and a huckster who finds companies with great engineers and then maneuvers himself into the head position and takes credit for other people's work. He's done it his whole adult life starting with paypal.
And as for the mess the globalists left behind there are solutions but they can only work if they are tried.
I want to add that one thing I don’t hear about is American capital being used to develop industries in their home countries which in turn could provide better employment opportunities. The truth of the matter is most the guys I’ve worked with would have loved to remain in El Salvador or someplace where they feel culturally connected/comfortable, but the pressing need to make money to take care of families compels them to immigrate.
I’d probably do the same if my situation was like that, but I’d also rather stay where my family was if it meant I could support them properly.
It would also be way easier to sell the idea of mass remigration if that meant people would be sent back home to a more prosperous country, and even possibly do it willingly.
And sorry, last point, but we are going to have a whole generation of children born to these people who were told that their dad works in a celery field all day because it means they will have better lives, only to find their lives aren’t much better. This happened with the Algerian community in France with drastic consequences for their society and culture.
These are all the fruits of globalization. NAFTA made it so those El Salvadorans could not support their families at home just like it wrecked a million family farms and factories in el norte.
The only ones who benefit from globalization are the oligarchs and managerial classes who get fat off of wage arbitrage and mass economic displacement.
Guys like Paul Krugman provided the fake math-based garbage economic justifications for "comparative advantage" while the entire world entered an era of massive economic disruption and violent upheaval.
I don't really blame the Indians who come here, or the El Salvadorans either. It's guys like Musk and Vivek - and they are just the latest in an exhaustingly long line of liars and cretins - who push the continuation of an unsustainable globalist framework because it benefits them greatly.
They all talk about "America winning" but the America they're talking about is the tiny fraction of managerial elites who have raped and ruined our nation for their temporary gains.
Your last paragraph in this comment, sums up the rant succinctly. 👍🏼
Yes, I think I’ll add it to the OP. Cheers.
You work with Indians in tech?
10 dolts per the competent 1, and that’s paying top dollar.
Great write-up. I am subscribed. I've known these two were scammers for a long time. Sadly, it has taken this long for people to catch on, especially concerning Musk.
what gets me is so few people know about the Brahminswami pump and dump... he robbed 100s of millions from pension funds in a blatant scam he ran with his mommie....
Musk isn’t Vivek, Musk a real talent. However he is dynamic and speaks his oft unconsidered mind.
As it happens Musk has just humbled himself or put himself in the humble pie position.
As it also happens the boil of open borders for H1B … which would have been open borders for all… has just been lanced and Trump’s not even in office yet.
Yarvin (rehashing Moldbug) on the subject: https://open.substack.com/pub/graymirror/p/migration-and-the-sovereign-firm
I hope “fiduciary responsibility” is viewed with the same scorn in the future as we view Hitler’s rhetoric about “lebensraum”.
H1-Bs back to India, MBAs to the gr@veyard
You reminded me in Ranaswamy's X-Tweet of Louisiana's "Bobby" Jindal, who took the name Bobby from a character on the TV show "The Brady Bunch."
Blimey. Don't you think that your faux outrage is a teeny bit over the top? Did it occur to you that Elon Musk might just know a bit more about employing highly skilled engineers than you? He is running a viable space program, after all. Which NASA -- your home-grown industry -- isn't. Shall we talk about Boeing now?
My outrage isn't faux and SpaceX employs almost entirely US citizens given ITAR rules. I have nothing against Indian-American engineers who grew up within our culture.
I've worked with Indian engineers for two decades. There is nothing any of them has ever done that Americans can't do. On the contrary, with a few exceptions, they have a singular ability to create complicated messes and bad designs. They are often poorly trained and have a culture of subservience and dishonesty that hinders the engineering process. One of their special talents is taking over hiring and filling entire teams with other Indian engineers. You can call me "racist" if you enjoy that sort of thing. I don't really care.
And yes we shall talk about Boeing. They ran themselves into disaster by firing their American engineers and hiring $9/hr Indian coders and testers. This led directly to two 737 Max crashes attributed to faulty software. Hundreds of dead innocents who trusted Boeing and were let down in the worst way.
Musk is barely an engineer. He's a businessman who hires engineers. The only reason he wants more of them is to maintain downward pressure on wages. That's it.
The Indians I have worked with were quite the opposite - driven to succeed, competent and friendly. But they were all born and brought up in the UK. And one is a woman. Presumably both those factors can make a difference.
Indians born and raised in the west are generally raised with western values. If not by their parents by their age cohort. The problem is importing millions of Indians raised under their corrupt and amoral Indian system such that they poison our culture and massively undercut wages.
Sometimes yes. They can enter on the O-1 system for outstanding talent. Of course we have to be careful with that program as well since it doesn't have quotas.
US work immigration policy has so many programs and carveouts we have to shut it all down until we can figure out what the hell is going on.
🤷 ... But if they're good, they won't be cheap. You do get what you pay for, in most cases
Musk is real. But he also learns.
Vivek is a different matter.
I work in tech, although no I don’t have an engineering degree.
We and I do however clean behind the messes of Vivek’s millions of idiot cousins, for decades.
Its 95% fraud.
We gotta keep them patels out, no ways they gettin into the greatest nation in history! Trump will get teh duo in line ya'll will see!
In China, people call him "Eron".
I have heard that Indians hire their own and judging from jobs what I've seen in tech this is a reasonable assumption. As for hiring their own caste I don't know but why wouldn't they.
Not only do we have to punish offshoring with high tariffs and penalties for corporations that do it but we need to shutdown the alphabet soup of programs that import foreign labor. The reason US firms "can't find workers" is they don't want to pay living wages.
Stock buybacks used to be illegal, just like congressional insider trading. We can make them both illegal again.
Japan is a country that has been intentionally economically gimped by the US. If you'll recall the ridiculous panic in the 1980s that Japan was going to overtake us - well those articles were expressing the fears of an increasingly ossified class of industrial oligarchs. What they did was bring Japanese to study econ in the US and then go back to Japan and do all the stupidest things which sent Japan into a 40 year decline. During that decline the birthrate collapsed and now Japan is totally fucked. Being America's "ally" is deadly.
This is all very stupid of course - one should want strong allies not weak ones but the US oligarchy never learns because it never faces consequences.
Great comment. Regarding Japan, my understanding is that they've been ineffective at using all the money they print to stimulate economic growth. Instead it's gone to things like literally paving concrete over much of their country to no productive end. It provided "jobs" for a time but since it didn't do anything to build out infrastructure and boost long term productivity it wound up as a net drain and added massively to debt.
Digging holes and filling them doesn't add productive capacity to a nation. Paving everything in sight with concrete is even worse. It just spends the nation's wealth on less than nothing.
I think there are other dynamics at play that the US used to gimp Japan's economic performance and reduce their ability to compete but I'd have to research it again since the last time I looked into it was a long time ago.